Personally Written Link Requests - Benefit - Time Ratio?

Thread Title: Is the benefit of writing completely personal email outweighed by the time involved? Thread Url: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum12/1887.htm Thread Description:

Nice thread over at WMW with some pretty good tips on how to write convincing and appealing personalized link requests. Starts off dull but gets much better...

Potato Boy Dukes it out with SEOBook and NFFC

Thread Title: Traffic Power now 1p.com? Thread Url: http://www.seobook.com/archives/000514.shtml Thread Description:

OMG get your popcorn boys and girls. This is amazing, check out "Frank" almost certainly a 1p.com employee with all the intellectual ability and grace of a Potato duke it out with heavy hitters seobook, sammyb and NFFC over at seobook.com.

I wont provide a snippet, you really need to read the whole thing, this'll put a smile on your face, beleive me ;-)

Google will NOT Develop G Browser

Thread Title: Google will not develop browser Thread Url: http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=16329 Thread Description:

Nice catch from Ruud over at cr8 - dissappointing for me, i was kinda looking forward to that.

Newbie Spammer Sets Himself up for a Kicking...

Thread Title: Spam Works! Thread Url: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=3838 Thread Description:

Mine is good spam. Don't worry. Spam is free speech too. Why mine is good spam? because top 10 sites are all spams mastered by two other big guy and one little guy. I just want a little piece pie from the other 3 spamers.

It is google's fault, not mine.

Some people are just born stupid ;-)

Indicative of the quite understandable if you cant beat 'em... attitude that current algorithm's promote, this chap is setting himself up for a big fall. I'd guess that if you pm'd him and asked innocently for an example he'd probably be happy to show you.. hang on! I'll be right back LoL!

PR Update - CONFIRMED

Thread Title: Google Toolbar Update Thread Url: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=3833 Thread Description:

dfsweb gets the credit for spotting the long awaited Toolbar PR update over at Digital Point. It's been over 100 days, webmasters will be wetting their knickers all over the planet...

Credit should also go to Nacho for spotting that the DP thread was first with the news.

I'm heading over to wmw to see if Cutts is going to turn up and play god..

The Ethics of Spam Reporting

Thread Title: Ethics on Spam Reporting Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=1998 Thread Description:

Very amusing thread from littleman turning the tables on the "ethics brigade" - Resident White Knight ihelpyou falls hook line and sinker for it yet again of course but the real good stuff here (and yeah, there is some good stuff here) is from fathom (he's a busy boy today..) who puts forward some very compelling arguments on the subject of reporting competitors:

I can write an original page of content and add to my site but can't add it a second time with a few word changes (noting "keywords" changes) as this is spam.

Yet on the other hand - I can post at a forum the exact identical post (an asked question) that had been ask 100 times before - and that's ok because it is not spam.

I can't set up 50 mirror websites with the same content to gain an advantage because it is spam.

But I can write tons of articles and post them on 50 repositiories to gain an advantage - and that's ok because it is not spam.

I can't show something to a browser that is different to a bot as this is spam. ... but showing differently to different browsers is ok because the bot is blind to visible appeal and that's ok because it is not spam. (it doesn't matter if the visitor get's something unledgible though)

Confessions of a Bad Directory Owner

Thread Title: Public Apology for my bad Behaviour Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t15002/s.html Thread Description:

I used the robots.txt file and meta tags on a page where I listed link partners to prevent search engine spiders from seeing that page, thus reducing the benefits of the reciprocal link for those linking to me and selfishly building one-way links to my site.

I know it was wrong. I was a greedy a--hole and I'm sorry. I have replaced all the links on seo-friendly pages in a newly built directory on the site

Bad, or just plain stupid? - randfish you daft bugger, didn't you think anyone would notice? hehe....

Google Launches Book Search

Thread Title: Google Launches Book Search Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2016 Thread Description:

Joseph Morin has the forum scoop at SEW, here's the News.com Report

For the good of the many sometimes the few have to go...

Thread Title: For the good of the many sometimes the few have to go... Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=1944 Thread Description:

Interesting tussle, involving ihelpyou again, has led to a few posts getting nuked. No blame on the forum, in fairness the posts had to go *but* there comes a point when one member can negatively impact the forum experience of many, many members. That's the time to say "thanks but STFU and don't post again".

Interview With Mike Grehan: Author of Search Engine Marketing Book

Thread Title: Interview With Mike Grehan: Author of Search Engine Marketing Book Thread Url: http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/000985.html#more Thread Description:

A very interesting interview that contains some good comedy provided by Mike Grehan.

Online Copy - How Long is Too Long?

Thread Title: How Many Words in an Article? Thread Url: http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9867 Thread Description:

Very interesting read for anyone writing their own articles. Interesting perspectives and opinions on both Articles/copy for search engines and for users. This from Jill Whalen

IMO, a 400 word articles doesn't generally say much. But on the other hand a 1000 word article can often be edited down to be more focused. I find around 750 words is a good amount for an article, but that's just my personal preference. It also has nothing to do with the search engines, as I don't write articles for search engines, I write them for people!

Spyware to be Outlawed in US

Thread Title: US House Passes Computer Anti-Spyware Bill Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2004 Thread Description:

By a vote of 399 to 1, the House moved to outlaw a range of aggressive advertising and surveillance activities that have outraged consumers over the past two years.

rcjordan broke the news at SEW a few minutes ago... here's the Reuters link.

Forum Spammer Accuses SEO's of Being Criminals

Thread Title: Why Selling SEO is Cheating Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t16457/s.html Thread Description:

Some whiney little oik is accusing pretty much the entire SEO/SEM sector of being criminals:

As an industry we have to get our act together and behave in an honest and honorable manner. Selling SEO services to a small manufacturer of ball bearings in Birmingham is close to fraudulent and trading on his ignorance and gullibility. Selling a service that will expose a client’s website to his real potential market is much more difficult, particularly as it is extremely difficult to show the real results quickly.

Posted on multiple forums around the net, i'd advise you put on your macintosh and galoshes before engaging him in any sort of debate as he seems to be foaming at the mouth and drooling a bit. I'd say it was Daniel Brandt in disguise but to give the boy credit, he's a little more articulate than Brandt.

More Directories

Thread Title: Here's a List of Directories Thread Url: http://www.seo-guy.com/forum/thread1170.html Thread Description:

Finally! - i knew it wouldnt be long before the boys and girls over at SEO Guy came up trumps with something worthy of Threadwatch.org - Some nice additions to this existing directories post we have.

Need 100's of Free Links?

Thread Title: Free Links and How to Get Them Thread Url: http://www.webworkshop.net/seoforum/viewtopic.php?t=3296 Thread Description:

Check out this thread started by WilliamC over at Web Workshop covers an article written by Ben Fisher at websitehostdirectory.com

It's all about a step by step guide to setting up 100's of free hosting accounts and using them to link to your target site. The guide bit of the article is very good. The thread contains a lot of "great thread!" type comments but have a close look, there are some cool links that will help you find lists of free hosting companies mixed in amongst the chatter.

Press Releases for Link Development

Thread Title: Press Releases for Link Development Thread Url: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum12/1873.htm Thread Description:

Interesting topic over at wmw. The general concensus seems to be that the ROI on this strategy is poor but there are some excellent tips and recounted experiences on gaining backlinks from for example, contacting columnists directly. I'll leave you with this snippet from the excellent martinibuster:

Are Press Release Services a Waste of Money? There is less certainty of a backlink when spending that $ on a PR service. I'm interested to know from anyone at WebmasterWorld who has had a positive experience submitting press releases to these services and generating a backlink. How about a temporary boost in traffic?

I have had some success, however, identifying the writers for columns dedicated to specific interest areas then writing them directly. This way, instead of your press release sitting over at the PR Service waiting to be found, you deliver the message straight to the scribe- which is where you want it to be.

Related: Free Press Release Websites

Do Expired Domains Hold Their PR?

Thread Title: Expired Domains Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t11467/s.html Thread Description:

Some interesting accounts of how an expired domain does or does not hold it's PR/backlinks if you manage to snap it up quickly enough. Particularly interesting is nmalhot's post early on in the thread:

I have been through 2 PR update cycles and of the 7 the results are as follows:

1 - PR was zero as soon as I put up the site and has yet to go up ... I even linked other sites to this and the PR is stuck at zero. It is a .com domain. 3 - PR dropped 1 notch. 1 is .cc, 1 is .net, 1 is .com. 3 - PR held up. 1 is .com, 1 is .biz, 1 is .org

How to Build / Kill a Forum

Thread Title: Important / useful SEO/ Webmaster Forums Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=1944&page=1&pp=20 Thread Description:

Thread points out useful SEO / webmaster forums and blogs. Members also hint at problems facing particular forums. In post #30 Littleman quotes MrMackin and cuts to the chase about what usually ends a good forum:

>I know how egos can destroy a community

That's the joke isn't it. A forum gets good and therefore popular because a group of people build it up. And then the site owner allows the forums success to inflate his ego. Then the ego destroys the forum.

I am not saying the pattern has to go that way, but I think the only way to avoid it is for the site owner(s) to realize that the forum's content providers (i.e. it's user base) is what gives it its value.

There is the alternative business model though: Corral a group of smart and dedicated contributors, have them build up the place for a couple of years then start charging admission tax here and there, Eventually the forum will die, but meanwhile you have successfully cashed in on other people's work.

Building a HUB

Thread Title: Building a Hub Site - Thinking about Linking Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t12312/s.html Thread Description:

The guys at seochat are discussing this article by Wayne Hurlbert. The thread is far more interesting than the article. As the members rightly point out, there's no basis/evidence given for any of Hurlberts slightly wild sounding claims.

However, long time hero of mine fathom is in there talking about it and when he speaks, i tend to listen.

Snitch Post Round Up

Thread Title: Threadwatch.org Thread Url: http://www.threadwatch.org Thread Description:

Sometimes I really wonder what kind of heavy duty hallucinogenic class A's some webmasters are on:

High Rankings - Whiner This fools talking about posting in a google forum pretending to be the owner of the target site - He's whining about his mobile disco site fo gods sake. Im ashamed to be english... Web Pro New - Smug Cow This smug little madam just makes me ashamed to be part of the same species SEO Guy - Guy sees the Light! This chap's quite cool, starts out with the usual whiney crap but turns it around when his peers point this out SEO Chat - Whiney little cry baby... This bloke makes me want to be sick. What a snivelling little twat. Funnier though is tstolber who thinks that you should report hidden text to the WEB HOSTING CO. -- give me strength! Dont they teach children anything these days?