Yahoo Search has subtle changes

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SEW are reporting that Yahoo Search has had some subtle changes to the default page.

+ Three news headlines (and a direct link to Yahoo News) + A direct link to Yahoo Finance along with Dow Jones and NASDAQ Averages + Yahoo Mail users can login and have direct links to their inbox (along with the number of new messages). A direct link to compose mail is also visible.

I like it and think the clean uncluttered additions are sensible. All these small changes add up to a large change and this might be the change that makes me jump ship for my default searches.

Do you like it or prefer the old page?

Beer is good for you.

The Register is reporting that Scientists at Okayama University in Japan have rather agreeably discovered that unidentified compounds in lager and stout may help to prevent DNA damage leading to cancer.

Whilst not search related it sure is TW Meet related and good to know.

Rumour - MSN is Out of BETA

Thread Title: MSN Search Beta May Now Be On Main Site Thread Url: Thread Description:

I've been following the thread SEW have on the forums but now Danny Sullivan adds a little weight to the beleif that folks are no longer just seeing flashes of the new BETA on the main results but the real deal has truly kicked in.

Threadwatch verdict?

Google - New "Security Issues" Adwords Campaign

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UPDATE: Aparently the page has been there a little while, it's the Adwords campaign supporting it that is new...

Following recent Gmail hacks and other security issues it appears that Google has finally seen fit to launch a Security Page where the public can contact them about issues on the following subjects:

Gmail Orkut Adwords Blogger Adsense Systems, networks or apps Any other issue

I presume this would be a good way to contact Google about innapropriate adwords results also.

Thanks to Threadwatch member sean for pointing this out!

Automation Heaven - Button Pushers Wishlist

I've been reading about it in loads of places, thinking about it almost all the time and chatting on the phone till BT scare me with the phone call charges,about this type of thing for a while now, but a discussion that led to the phone with some colleagues made me think it is worthy of a post here.

What can be automated and what can't in SEO?

which leads onto

What would you like to see automated that you do manually at present?

In all honesty I prefer the idea of what can't be automated as it sets a challenge to be beaten and I LOVE challenges.

I'll try to kick the discussion off with what can be automated succesfully.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT saying I do these things manually, in an automated fashion or know of anyone that does or does not have the knowledge, skill or codebase to undertake these tasks. This is merely a discussion document, hypothesising about what MIGHT be possible. ;)

Blog finding tools - Automated Forum finding tools - Automated Blog content addition tools - Automated Forum content addition tools - Automated etc etc etc for other types of CMS Page theme analysis - Automated Proxy hunting - Automated Multiple proxy usage without code or network changes - Automated Search Engine Algorithm reversal - Automated (LMAO, do some of them need a tool?) Site Building tools - Automated Crap Content Building tools - Automated Good Content Building tools - Semi Automated Page Element extraction/analysis - Automated Auto correcting grammar checker - 99% Automated Crap Quality Link Building - Automated

NOT Automated - High Quality Link Building

That's a start from me, what do YOU think can be added to the list?

Break Google and get a Job

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Sometimes, Google actually "get it"....

Search supremo Google has been inviting UK internet users who tamper with their 'secure' products and programs to visit the company's HQ to try out for a job.

A series of candidates have been called to Mountain View in California, after they tried illegally to tweak Google products or hack the search site for company secrets.

The phenomena, dubbed 'Google Hacking' is now so prevalent that stand-alone sites have been set up to display already exposed secrets, so hackers can't claim someone else's discovery as their own.

Can AOL become a Major Player in Search?

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Looks like AOL wanna play with the big boys, actually, looks like AOL want to copy Yahoo with a media model Search strategy. John Battelle has the full details in the threadlink above.

After dropping the walled garden model last autumn AOL have announced their intentions to enter the Search fray fully - they're now playing with the big dogs and by the look of things, present a serious threat to Yahoo's search model as well as to a lesser extent, Googles.

As one might expect, AOL has joined Yahoo in taking what might be called the "media model" of search. The media model takes a person's query and salts the results with all manners of human edited results - mostly from content the service owns, or content that the service access from partners, or content from the web that the service edits together to create what has been called "smart search", "search shortcuts," "programmatic search," and the like.

AOL is taking this to the extreme. It is, after all, a major division of a gigantic content player, and up until now, that content was locked away behind the failing access business model. No longer. AOL Search is taking the media model of search to the maximum - they have 60 full time employees creating edited "snapshots" which respond to what AOL Search chief Gerry Campbell says are 20% of all queries. That's 2.5 million snapshots preloaded, so when you type in a popular query, you get an "answer, not just a list of results." I imagine that number will only continue to grow. Yahoo circa 1995, anyone? This time, however, AOL only has to pre-load queries which prove out to be worth the time - the log files will tell them which ones. As will the economy. "We won't have a smart box for a query like 'birds of the Maldives'" Campbell told me. " But that's why we have Google."

Check out the New Search Interface

Forresters Charlene Li has this powerpoint before and after snapshot - why these muppets cant use a simple jpg is beyond me - but dont it look grand? Don't it look Yahoo!

Viral Marketing the Gmail Way

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NTY's Alan Pogue has a short but interesting post about the Gmail strategy - Viral marketing is undoubtably a powerful thing, we see it more and more on the net these days from carefully planned campaigns like Gmail to simple word of mouth buzz ala So, is the power of a slow, ever exanding ripple of buzz worth pursuing?

But it's gradually becoming clear that Google has a different master plan. It's doling out a handful of free accounts to existing members, letting them each invite another handful. The result: a slow, controlled, viral spread of Gmail accounts.

It may be that Google has no intention of announcing a big "Open for business" moment. Remember, Google has its own way of doing things (witness its "public auction" of stock shares when the company went public). It wouldn't surprise me if this slow, measured seeping out of Gmail accounts is precisely how Google intends to take this service public.

PubSub Now Monitoring 8 Million Blogs

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PubSub are now monitoring over 8M blogs according to the threadlinked post at CEO Bob Wyman's site.

Over the weekend, the number of blogs we monitor at passed over 8 million. As of a moment ago, we were monitoring 8,049,578 blogs, of which we consider 4,591,573 to be "active." (Currrent numbers are always shown on our home page.) I believe that 8 million is the largest number of blogs being monitored by any of the various search engines, directories, etc. that provide coverage of the blogosphere.

For those that dont know, pubsub provides a monitoring service - you stick in your keywords - maybe a product, company name or whatever then pick up the results on RSS and subscribe via your newsreader.

Why is this good? Think about it: You publish stuff on certain topics right? Being first to the news or first to interestng posts gives you a massive advantage over less savvy competition and even being among the first to report on something cool within your niche can generate a whole lotta link love :)

Adsense vs Kanoodle - Contextual Cat Fights

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Tom Foremski of SilliconValleyWatcher has been talking to the exec team from Kanoodle and he's impressed. Quite frankly, so am I. I've never looked that closely at Kanoodle but from what i've gleaned from Toms post (and there's lots to glean..) there cotextual ad products do seem a cut above.

Kanoodle is a private company run by sharp and savvy Fifth Avenue media professionals with impressive pedigrees (Check out their exec bio page.) They say they understand what online publishers want, and they speak their language. “We know how they want to present ads and what types of controls they need. Also, we use humans, not servers, to establish a relationship with publishers and check out their sites to make sure we offer them the right types of ads,” said Mark Josephson, senior vp of marketing and business development.

Kanoodle are in direct competition with Adsense and hungry for the biz: Tom talks about the Kanoodle execs media background vs the fact that the top tier of Google does not contain a single high grade media type.

Will Kanoodle persuade publishers to “can” Google? It will, some, but Google isn’t standing still. How many publishers deflect from Adsense will depend, I guess, on how well Google’s engineers can build a giant media company.

My question to Threadwatchers is obvious: Do you use it and what do you think of it?

Special - Free Cash Keywords Database Report Give Away [CLOSED]

No, it's true, kinda - here's the coup: I get approached about once a week by folks wanting to buy adspace here. I politely refuse, it's never been on the agenda (though some talk of ads for non-members has been had in the past) So, i was contacted by company about to launch a new product and naturally, i turned them down. I thought about it a bit and then finally went back to them with an idea i HOPE you like, that would help me experiment with an idea for monetizing TW.

Here's the Deal - $150 worth of Kit - Free for TW Members

Before i explain what it is, be aware that no money has changed hands with me and this company. They wanted to buy space but what i've actually given them is an apportunity to GIVE you their product for free. The idea is that:

You will like it We can do it again

At this stage it is simply an experiment.

CashKeywords - 26,000 Term High Bid Keyword Database

CashKeywords knock out reports on different keyword sectors - they have 3 different products all of which are explained on the Threadwatch Members Offer Page - Essentially it boils down to this though: You get to choose one report from the following options:

Mega Top Dollar Report - Over 26,000 bid results. High Profit Reports - 10 categories available. Mini High Profit Reports - 83 topics available.

Details are given on the member offer page of the differences between each available report. Follow the title link above for the rest of the post

Google Admitting Defeat over War with Spammers?

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Christopher Baus raises an interesting question in the threadlink above when he predicts that within one year Google will be ignoring the nofollow attribute - and i agree.

I boldly predict that in one year Google will give up and ignore "nofollow" meta-data.

Here's why:

This will be used for reasons other than to eliminate comment spam as Scoble noted. Search engines can't determine the difference between comments and links from a blog entry. Search engine results will become worse, and not better as a result of the prejudices of linkers. Spammers want positioning and visibility and not just page rank, and will continue to spam anyway.

Google won because they were able to harvest the rich data available in the link networks. Link data is Google's number one asset. Today they just admitted that asset isn't as valuable as it used to be. I hope all you Forrester researchers heard that. Plus the value in links isn't just in the page rank. Its in the clicking. Don't want people to visit a site, don't link it. Simple. If Scoble links something it is my experience that it WILL generate traffic regardless of the page rank. This is just admitting that the spammers are winning.

We've been talking about this alot at Threadwatch and the majority of users (the ones involved in the threads at least) seem to share the view that the nofollow will not do a damn thing, and may even be damaging to the web.

NoFollow - A Non-Solution to Comment Spam How to Abuse the NoFollow Attribute Yahoo, Google, MSN Announce Joint Effort to Kill Comment Spam It's official(ish) - Google to Attempt to cull Comment Spam

So, is the new nofollow a sign of defeat? Is it a stop-gap measure untill something more effective can be put in place or just a knee-jerk reaction to appease bloggers?

Google vs MSN - My view

Both the Google and Msn engines have their good and bad points, but the major plus for Google is that they already have a huge userbase searching regulary on their engine and the majority of those searchers are happy with the results. To best compare the two engines and their current state of play I've split each of them into positives / negatives. Follow the title link above for the full post

NoFollow - A Non-Solution to Comment Spam

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Late last night bloggers all over the world started what im sure will be a very short-lived networked jump for joy as Google, MSN, Yahoo and Six Apart announced a joint effort to cull comment spam. This post looks at why this initiative will fail. Follow the title link above for more.

As GoogleGuy pointed out on an earlier Threadwatch post many other blog vendors and hosts are taking up the new nofollow attribute which is designed with the purpose of denying PageRank and link benefits to spammers:

Steve Jenson - Blogger Matt Mullenweg - WordPress Stewart Butterfield - Flickr Anthony Batt - Buzznet David Czarnecki - blojsom Rael Dornfest - Blosxom

sounds like MSN Spaces is signing on too.

Self Congratulation and Back Slapping wont Stop Comment Spam

The collective jump for joy i mentioned above was taken up by many bloggers who, through no fault of their own, clearly do not have a complete grasp on the situation and what it involves - or the economics of blog spamming.

Among the more notable entries were the following:

Jay Allen - MT Blacklist - Cavalier Attitude

like the posters at Webmasterworld and Nick W from who seems to be posting negatively everywhere I've looked and even has a thread on a way to abuse the nofollow link type for those who lie awake at night sweating about PageRank. What-evah.

How to Abuse the NoFollow Attribute

So, rcjordan posted one of the obvious ways in which the new nofollow implementation could be abused by webmasters: To cheat reciprocol partners out of PR.

What other mess might this almost certainly ineffectual effort to cull comment spam be open to? Here are some thoughts off the top of my head:

Cheating recips out of PR - rcjordan Cheating directory submissions PR funneling - this could be used to really skew websites as webmasters try to funel PR to certain pages an deny outgoing links PR - in fact, it could skew the web as it stands according to google if it got out of hand...

Anyone care to add some more or comment on the above?

Yahoo, Google, MSN Announce Joint Effort to Kill Comment Spam

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Jeremy Zawodny is (i think) the first to announce the unilateral Search Engine initiative to cull comment spam.

'm pleased to announce that Yahoo! Search is one of several organizations in support of a technique that should help combat weblog comment spam. Others involved are: Google/Blogger, MSN Search, Six Apart (TypePad, MovableType, LiveJournal), and WordPress.

By adding a rel="nofollow" attribute to hyperlinks, webmasters and weblog owners can tell search engines that the links are effectively untrusted.


We think this is a good first step toward significantly reducing the spam burden on bloggers and weblog hosting companies. It's great to see so many players on board. In the coming weeks you can expect to see the changes reflected in our web index.

Six Apart - Google and MSN Onboard

Jeremy points to this announcement at six apart, the company behind TypePad and MovableType and also these 2 posts from Google and MSN

Google's Announcement - as yet unpublished MSN's Announcement - as yet unpublished

Jeremey, are you being a bad boy and breaking the news before the agreed time? hehe...

Bloggers - A Growing Market for Search Optimization Firms

Over the past couple of months i've noticed a steadily increasing interest in Search amongst bloggers. This isn't so surprising when you think about as the recent Pew Study showed a 58% increase in blog readership in 2004 and that 7% of American adults that use the net had created a blog. This post looks at the growing blog scene and what potential avenues exist for SEO's within it. Follow the title link above for the full post.

Rich Media to Beat Paid Search in Growth this Year

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Mediapost are predicting that rich media ads will out strip paid search in terms of growth this year based on a eMarketer report due out later today:

"Paid search advertising took the lion's share of online ad spending in 2004, but eMarketer forecasts rich media advertising will grow more quickly than paid search in 2005," wrote eMarketer Senior Analyst Ben Macklin in the report. "The barriers to rich media advertising, such as bandwidth constraints and ad format limitations, are falling," he wrote.

In fact, eMarketer predicted that U.S. spending on rich media advertising, including interstitials, would leap to around $1.02 billion in 2005, up from $796 million last year. eMarketer forecast that all online ad spending in the United States would reach $11.3 billion in 2005, up from an estimated $9.4 billion last year.

Still, eMarketer expects paid search to show continued strength, with $4.69 billion going to paid search in 2005, compared to $3.93 billion in 2004.

And in the context of the report took a look at the four major "portals" and assessed their outlook for the following year as follows:

Yahoo! - Excellent Google - Very good MSN - Very good AOL - Uncertain

Yahoo come out on tops due to growth, aquisitions and content with AOL trailing in at the back - maybe it's time to take old shep out back and put him out of his misery?

Arranging a UK SEO Meet

So let's organise a UK/EU meet here?

How about somewhere near Stansted airport as that is easiest to get to from the rest of Europe.

I'll take on the mantle of organising it if you want. Thoughts and would Nick, would you come over from Denmark (but only if you bring the bacon with ya!)

DogPile add Yellow Pages Data

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As the kind lady who IM'd me this report said "I'd forgotten Dogpile even existed!" heh...

Well, I cant say that im particularly inclined to report on what dogpile does but this is kinda interesting:

IntelliFind is a sophisticated query analysis system designed to improve the relevancy of Dogpile results by assessing the likely intent behind every query and searching only the content sources that are likely to return highly relevant results. IntelliFind launched in November 2004 and was the result of a year-long development effort.

With this launch, IntelliFind now supports the integration of yellow pages content on Web search results pages when relevant to a user's query. The feature is currently in beta. Whenever IntelliFind identifies that the likely intent behind a query is to find information on a local business, Dogpile now returns yellow pages listings in a box at the top of the results set. With this new functionality, Dogpile is able to better respond to the growing number of users who turn to search engines to find information on nearby businesses.

Another new feature, Web Site Match, helps users navigate the Web more efficiently by matching every query against a database of the most popular Web sites and suggesting exact matches at the top of the results set. The Web Site Match feature was developed in response to the growing number of navigational queries - queries entered at a search engine by a user intending to reach a specific Web site. To save users time and frustration, Web site Match employs a listing of common misspellings to guide users to their destination even if their query is misspelled.

Sounds cool huh? Anyone wanna take it for a spin and tell us what they think?