Blogs - You can Run, but you can't Hide

Thread Title: Why There's No Escaping the Blog Thread Url:,15114,1011763-1,00.html Thread Description:

Much of the blog evangelism out there just bores me to tears but here's a relatively well informed and thought provoking piece on the power of blogs and how companies are, or need to be, monitoring and using them.

Some of it is pure waffle, the stuff about Scoble being particulary funny. It is a good read though:

It all used to be so easy; the adage went "never pick a fight with anyone who buys ink by the barrel." But now everyone can get ink for free, launch a diatribe, and—if what they have to say is interesting to enough people—expect web-enabled word of mouth to carry it around the world. Unlike earlier promises of self-publishing revolutions, the blog movement seems to be the real thing. A big reason for that is a tiny innovation called the permalink: a unique web address for each posting on every blog. Instead of linking to web pages, which can change, bloggers link to one another's posts, which typically remain accessible indefinitely. This style of linking also gives blogs a viral quality, so a pertinent post can gain broad attention amazingly fast—and reputations can get taken down just as quickly.

Hey, what was that new fangled way of linking again? hehe...

It's facinating to watch such momentous change happening in the way we communicate and do business. Blogs are a big part of it but certainly not the only component in the "web communications boom"..

Craigslist Chews up Millions in Newspaper Ad Revenue

Thread Title: Craigslist Costs Newspapers Millions In Classified Ads Revenue Thread Url: Thread Description:

Social classifieds site Craigslist is eating up millions in ad revenue that would have otherwise gone the way of newspaper classifieds:

The non-profit site has also cost newspapers millions of dollars more in merchandise, real estate and other traditional classified advertising businesses, Classified Intelligence LLC said in a recent report on the self-service site's impact. Craigslist, which is a quarter owned by EBay Inc., has grown to a billion page-views a month.

"Craigslist has created an extremely important and valuable marketplace, and perfectly illustrates the changing nature of the classified advertising industry," Peter M. Zollman, founding principal of Classified Intelligence, said in a statement.

Directories Taking a Whack on Google - What's going on?

Thread Title: WebAtlas booted from Google Thread Url: Thread Description:

The conversation threadlinked above started by some gloating knob could be very worrying for Directory owners. The knob in question is gleefully informing the members at seozip that has been booted from Google.

Speaking of knobs, this thread at IHU has Dastardly Doug crowing about "spammy directories" - there's not much to be gained from the thread itself (surprise..) but it's indicative of many threads floating around out there over the last couple of months about Directory sites having trouble with Google.

So, have a look at Threadwatch member nandini's site: Web Atlas and tell us what you think. This would seem on a level with BlueFind's recent troubles

Is Google actively seeking out directories or are there some inherent flaws in the scripts that generate and maintain such sites that are tripping some kind of site hazard at G?

How Urban Myths Develop - Adsense and Earnings

Thread Title: Is goodle against anyone who earns more than 5k a month Thread Url: Thread Description:

An interesting example of how urban myths develop - viz " I saw a thread on WMW about this, so it must be true"

One wonders whether the OP is for real. However if you want a smile, then read the thread, made me laugh.

Im told they will only let you earn a minimum of $4000 a month before you are likely to be dropped back down to $1000 a month..

ok cool so there are people earning 10k a month.. from adsense.. i heard they were like mythological beings .. like the loch ness monster

Jenstar, moderating, tries to dispel the myth, then BTabke arrives and does a cut for " language and specifics, as per TOS"

A new poster then confirms that the original proposition is true

I can confirm your opening post to this thread. Twice.....Both sites steadily increased daily/monthly revenue until hitting that one "magical" month, and then in a matter of a few days, daily revenue dropped until tapering off somewhere near the lower monthly number.

One feels that the premis will have gained credence from this airing

Justin, this LOCAL stuff is getting to be pretty amazin'

Just got this spam. Think of the technology! Wow!

Quote: 5 New Cheating-Wives have been matched for you in your area:

1) Linda, 130 lbs, 5'10, 36c, 11 miles away, available Dec 27-2nd 2) Shanon, 121 lbs, 5'6, 36d, 9 miles away, available Jan 2-5th 3) Jill, 113 lbs, 5'5, 34b, 17 miles away, available most nights(husband works nights) 4) Sandra, 134 lbs, 5'9, 36c, 21 miles away, available most week nights(looking for side-fling) 5) Beth 148 lbs, 5'10, 38d, 5 miles away, check site for available times

More on Search Marketing Consolidation

Thread Title: Search Agencies Ripe for Picking Thread Url: Thread Description:

Kevin Newcomb in the threadlink above has some interesting quotes and a little further speculation on Search Marketing consolidation:

Just about any SEM of significant size has been approached as a potential acquisition. Suitors include publicly traded holding companies, traditional and interactive agencies, and also ESPs, direct marketing and database marketing firms. According to various SEM executives ClickZ News interviewed for this story, performance-based ad networks, like ValueClick and FastClick, are among the most likely acquirers, outside the big three holding companies.

There are hundreds of SEM firms, but most industry watchers agree less than a dozen are large enough to have developed the practices and technologies to make them worth acquiring. SEM firms Did-It, Fathom, Impaqt and the foundering DoubleClick top the list of attractive targets.

What's more interesting to me is the unasked question: What will this mean to the small SEO/SEM?

talking of SEO "expert"s.....

Thread Title: SEO "expert" Proposes Unethical Linking Strategies Thread Url: Thread Description:

Perfectly sensible question, generally good advice, but if you can get past post 6 without starting to laugh you have better self control than I do.

Dont Laugh - Weblogsinc Want to run a Search Conference...

Really, it's true. In fact, thanks to to one Threadwatch member I've seen the pitch their VP of mktg and sales Shawn Gold is sending out to sell ad space to optimization companies...

Now, the question is: Is this just another case of Bloggers thinking they invented the internet or is there room in the conference space for another show and could they actually pull it off?

From the email pitch:

Quote: We will be creating a conference around the business of Search Engines and will be focusing on that area of the business.

-from Shawn Gold, Vice President of Weblogs Inc

What do Threadwatchers think? Room for another search conference alongside Search Engine Strategies and Webmasterworld's World of Search? If so, could Weblogsinc pull it off?

In Korea Mobile Spam is Outpacing Email

Thread Title: Mobile spam bigger problem than regular spam in South Korea Thread Url: Thread Description:

Seems like mobile spam is outpacing email spam in Korea. Korea is often seen as a good "what's to come" indicator - The Engadget post threadlink aboves says that in May this year 10% of all SMS was spam but does point out that maybe folks have just resigned themselves to email spam and stopped complaining about it.

Thai / Phuket Tsunami - Largest Earthquake since 1900

At least one of our members is in the Phuket Tsunami region - I hope they're alright, but fear the worst as news reports and blogs are saying thousands have died during the biggest earthquake since 1900.

thanks to scoble for the technorati link - G News Y! News Blog Reports

Google to Buy Flickr early 2005?

Thread Title: Next Google acquisition: Flickr + Picasa 2.0 = Fotoogle Thread Url: Thread Description:

Speculation is growing that Google may buy moblogging site Flickr early 2005 and integrate it with recently purchased Picasa.

The theory runs like this:

It would bridge the gap between off and online photos It would enrich the Google image DB Flickr has many G Friendly features and characteristics

Jeremy Zawodny was not so full of joy with the notion:

I think Google has a good track record in this department so far (namely Picasa and Blogger), but I'd just hate to see a great service like Flickr get screwed up before its time.

What do you think? Is it a sensible/credible move?

It does appear to make sense to me, for all of the reasons given in the posts referenced above and more - Flickr is cool... and it fits neatly with Googles


In 2005 I will NOT be Wearing a Hat

Thread Title: A place for black hats on SEW? Thread Url: Thread Description:

The term "blackhat" has become dilluted and distorted, as evidenced by the threadlink above. It's not just that the terms seems to have lost it's meaning (or possibly taken on a new meaning) but as Qwerty pointed out a day or so ago, it becomes offensive when a term you find yourself labeled with is equated with characteristics you'd rather not be associated with.

For him, it's the fact that whenever the tired, sad old debate raises it's weary head, inevitably someone in the dark camp brings up "religious zeal" when describing our lighter cousins. I do it quite often.

The reason im prone to that is that some in the light camp do indeed resemble religious fanatics, it's a fact i think Qwerty would find hard to deny - but rightly so, he objects to being bunched in that description.

Likewise for me with the blackhat label. For me, much of what's being discussed in the thread above is not what i would describe as blackhat, and i too dislike being labeled wrongly.

So, what am i going to do about it?

Nothing much, im just going to stop (not that it happens very often) siding myself with the black camp. It's just not a black and white issue so i think i'd prefer not to generalize. To liken Qwerty (sorry mate, your just a good example heh..) to Doug Heil is doing Qwerty an injustice. I have a lot of respect for what he's said in this thread although we oppose and like him, find it somewhat mildly offensive to be lumped together with so called "blackhats" - when some of them clearly dont understand the term and what it means.

So, in 2005 i shall be hat agnostic and try to judge cases on their individual merits or demerits rather than lump folks together. I shouldnt think for a moment that that will stop people putting a label on me, but it'll make me feel a bit better :-)

Comparing Desktop Search Solutions

Thread Title: Compare Desktop Search Tools Thread Url: Thread Description:

Thanks Jeremey Z for the pointer to this comparison table for the various DTS apps available. I haven't tried a single one, i know how to find stuff on my PC heh..

However, it's a neat link by the look of it, so enjoy. If you are using a DTS app I have a couple of questions for you:

What are you using? Why? Is it up to the job?

Will IBM's 3rd Generation Piquant Search Technology Trounce Google?

Thread Title: At I.B.M., That Google Thing Is So Yesterday Thread Url: Thread Description:

An interesting look at IBM's PIQUANT (Practical Intelligent QUestion ANswering Technology) - although this is (i think) aimed at business use it does seem that they are comparing to Google and thinking in terms of the Web also. PIQUANT uses natural language processing to add meaning to text:

One example is question answering. Google-type search engines are fabulous at retrieving random data, but mediocre at handling subtler queries. Using Google or Ask Jeeves, you can eventually find out how many of the world's Web pages are in each of the major languages, but it's slow and frustrating compared with finding out, say, Mozart's birthplace. Jennifer Chu-Carroll of I.B.M. demonstrated a system called Piquant, which analyzed the semantic structure of a passage and therefore exposed "knowledge" that wasn't explicitly there. After scanning a news article about Canadian politics, the system responded correctly to the question, "Who is Canada's prime minister?" even though those exact words didn't appear in the article.

MR. CICCOLO, the search strategist, said that in a way his team was trying to match - and reverse - what Google has achieved. "As Google use became widespread, people began asking why it was so much easier to find material on the external Web than it was on their own computers or in their company's Web sites," he said. "Google sets a very high standard for that Web. We would like to set the next standard, so that people will find it so easy to do things at work that they'll wonder why they can't do them on the Internet."

I saw this piece this morning but missed the fact that it spanned two pages heh.. so thanks to slashdot posting a thread on it also, i went and had another look.

Does anyone have more insight into this? It would be good to get a little clarification on whether this is going to be used on the WWW aswell as company intranets etc...

Googles More Adwords Feature

Thread Title: AdWords Exposed! Thread Url: Thread Description:

I don't seem to be able to see this but Cory Kleinschmidt over at the Traffick post threadlinked above (among a whole bunch of others) can.

Here's a snippet from the post:

Unless my normally eagle eyes had been failing me, Google has quietly introduced a way to view all AdWords listings relating to your search by clicking a link titled "More >>" at the bottom of the first-page search results listings. Clicking the link displays a page of nothing but sponsored links, presumably all of the available AdWords advertisers for that keyword phrase.

At first *thought* this seems pretty cool to me, there are searches that just do NOT bring up good results but do bring up great adwords.

Kinda Related: How long as the "search within results" feature been on the bottom of the Google SERPS? Whilst looking for the "more" link i saw that for the first time today and dont remember hearing about it...?

Opinions on More Adwords?

The Pope goes Mobile

Thread Title: Pope John Paul Hits the Little Screen Thread Url: Thread Description:

Trendy, high-tech Roman Catholics won't have to sit at home this Christmas to watch Pope John Paul's Christmas Midnight Mass on television.

They can watch the whole thing from wherever they are on the latest generation of cell phones.

The world is a funny place. via smartmobs

Kids naughty, so dad sells their gifts on eBay

Thread Title: Kids naughty, so dad sells their gifts on eBay Thread Url: Thread Description:

First things first... Somebody nuke the social worker.

"Lane Coco, a Ph.D. social worker at Depelchin Children's Center, suggested that the embattled parents may have stumbled into an "ultimatum situation" in which everyone loses.

"Perhaps they should have planned some kind of activity..."

Obviously, Mizz Coco didn't grow up with a couple of brothers in the house. (I had 5 brothers, home life was similar to a violent video game.) As for the Dad in the story, good for him!

Search Marketing Paranoia - Removing Footprints and other Tracks

Thread Title: Removing Footprints Thread Url: Thread Description:

WmW's rogerd has an interesting discussion going in the threadlink above on seo paranoia. Specifically about the need (or not) to remove software footprints and kicks off by listing a few of the easier ones to spot:

Some of the most obvious steps: 1) Remove "powered by" and similar text. 2) Remove on-page "copyright" text or convert to image. 3) Change default installation directory and file names to foil both searches and brute-force attacks. 4) Remove/change other giveaways (ancient SEOs remember the infamous "blueline.gif" that undid many thousands of pages), i.e., anything that a hacker or other problem user could plug into a search engine to easily find sites using particular software.

The way i look at it is this: If you know you are employing high risk tactics, or you think that people using the same software might be, remove everything. In fact, dont stop there - change every conceivable bit about the scripts as you can including templates, urls structures, admin script names - the whole damn lot.

If you're not in that kind of area: Do it anyway.

So, taking it some steps further How paranoid should one be, or is there no need? Other than removing footprints from software, what else can one do to fly beneath the algorithmic radar? Classic pitfalls? Consequences and considerations apart from SE's?

Just how far do you need to go?

M$ want to cripple Programmers by Patenting Object Persistence

Thread Title: Object persister Thread Url: Thread Description:

Microsoft are taking the piss with patents again. This time they want to patent object persistence.

For non-programmers This, if it ever got accepted would mean an end to modern programming as we know it - shopping carts, games, search engines - the lot..

So, it'll never happen (one hopes heh..) but sheesh! what are they thinking over there.. Object persistence is a fundamental principle in almost everything of even a slightly advanced level.

Still, look on the bright side, as rayg points out apparently they think HTML is a protocol.. - Muppets.

Herein is described an implementation of an object persister, which serializes an object to preserve the object's data structure and its current data. The serialized object is encoded using XML and inserted within a message. That message is transmitted to an entity over a network. Such a transmission is performed using standard Internet protocols, such as HTML. Upon receiving the serialized object, the receiving entity deserializes the object to use it. Rather than include copies of referenced objects within the serialized object, the object persister includes references to those objects. This avoids redundant inclusion of the same object and potentially infinite inclusion of the object itself that is being serialized.

Has blosxom gone underground?

Thread Title: Has blosxom gone underground? Thread Url: Thread Description:

Back before anyone gave a flip about blogs I favorably reviewed blosxom at wmw. Lately, the buzz (and the installations) all appear to be either wordpress or moveabletype, and I ~frankly~ forgot about blosxom until today. I never see it mentioned and I do read around a fair bit. So, I go check. Still there, though the site does seem kinda quiet.

OK, I figure that the community has bailed and therefore pulled the plug on support? Nope.

Man! The blosx-ites are still talking about static generation --a subject near and dear to me.

I tried installing wordpress, the 5-minute install happened to fail (probably because I don't know jack about mysql). But back when I gave blosx a test run, it did install in 5 minutes.

So, what's going on? Anybody seeing blosxom in the news? Or is it just too damn hard to spell?