Matt Cutts Confirms Traffic Power Ban

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Matt Cutts has confirmed that Traffic Power and some of their clients were banned from Google:

I can confirm that Google has removed traffic-power.com and domains promoted by Traffic Power from our index because of search engine optimization techniques that violated our webmaster guidelines

That is likely a major blow to Traffic Power's legal claims.

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Congratulations

That's huge, like right out of a movie.

Not that I'm a lawyer

This isn't legal advice, but I know of a similar situation that was made to "go away" when a smoking gun like this surfaced. If I remember correctly one lawyer leaned on the other using terms like 'sanctions' for 'abuse of process' or 'frivolous lawsuit' or some such language.

In that instance they tucked tail and ran but your mileage may vary.

There's also ...

... malicious prosecution.

Google getting media attention..again...

This isn't Google giving "a concrete example of quality guidelines" as much as it is Google trying to get more media attention. Maybe Matt decided that since Google got so much attention about BMW, maybe it was the time to spill the beans on Traffic Power.

This is more than just a PR stunt.

TP is suing people for questioning their SEO tactics, after all.

Authoritative confirmation that they were indeed banned will be a vital piece of evidence for the people being sued to defend themselves against TP's legal bullying.

Good News

It would have been good if it came from matt - it's even better that it's been OK'd by the lawyers - it's official Google policy.

And that's hard evidence, if ever I saw any.

I don't think it's G seeking publicity for the sake of it - I think they are seeking publicity 'pour encourager les autres' - watch out spammers; more to come!

Lovely lovely - to everyone

Lovely lovely - to everyone their own... Good news indeed, this is one case when a Google ban is good news.

Matt stepped

up to the plate and hit it out of the park. Good job Google.

Matt Cutts

Last week I criticized people on this forum for having a pop at this generally helpful guy for next to nothing.
He's certainly come through for Aaron who from the content of the post was uppermost in his mind when making the action public.
Must have read your book Aaron!

A bit tardy?

Didn't this firm abandon the name several years ago, and has been doing business under different names using the same ol' tactics? A quick search of 1 in particular shows it still is indexed, cached and holding a page rank of 4. I wonder what are the chances of the new domains being banned.

spice

Well Done

Well done sir, well done indeed.

rock on Matt...

A bit tardy?

Not IMHO.

You have to realize Google is a big company and the web is huge. Think how focused they are on automation...they can't possibly list everything that they think is spam and what would they gain in doing so?

I already thought Matt kicks ass, but now I think he kicks more ass.

Holy Shit! Matt, way to go

Matt, my respect for you has just about gone through the roof. I can't express enough how much it means to me and others who have written about Traffic Power in the past, even though we all knew without a doubt we were right.

I can't imagine how much this means to Aaron.

Thanks brother.

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Definitely well done! I've also mentioned this in the very long TP thread over at my forum.

Yes, excellent, Matt. This

Yes, excellent, Matt.

This changes everything for Aaron and the other folks being sued.

Great news for Aaron and

Great news for Aaron and TPS. Thanks Matt, much respect.

Kudos to Matt Cutts

I believe they refer to this as "The Smoking Gun". lol, I can see Matt sitting there after hitting the submit button and blowing a puff of smoke from the barrel. :)

So, what's next? I wouldn't put it past the company in question to drag Google into the lawsuit. Really, I wouldn't.

P.S. We need to make sure we keep the mention of Matt specific here. The owner of the company in question is also named Matt.

It's great to see Matt post

It's great to see Matt Cutts post that statement - I tip my hat to you, good gentleman. :)

So, what's next? I wouldn't

pageoneresults wrote:
So, what's next? I wouldn't put it past the company in question to drag Google into the lawsuit. Really, I wouldn't.

Unlikely, see the SearchKing case. Google is under no obligation to include anyone's content. They have their guidelines (Terms of Service) and if you break them you're out.

They seem to have more trouble on the automatic opt-in issues. I've always thought they were covered though on banning sites.

Kicks Ass

>>>>>I already thought Matt kicks ass, but now I think he kicks more ass.

This is better targetted ass for sure. Well done Matt.

Well put words

Amazing, respect to Matt Cutts. It's good to see that Google silence cannot be counted on in every situation. Way to go! :-)

I wouldn't put it past the

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I wouldn't put it past the company in question to drag Google into the lawsuit. Really, I wouldn't.

Sure, if they're dumb (which we know they are) they might. But at least Google has the funds to squash them easily.

So, this isn't "outing"?

So, this isn't "outing"? Or, if the general consensus is that Traffic Power / 1P are asshats then it doesn't matter?

Just curious as there's been some discussion lately involving that term. It's not one I use personally.

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(Congrats Aaron and TPS for backup from Google - now, get those hands down and get back to work *lol*)

Better "G" Communication (on TP & BMW) - A Precedent?

Great Job Matt!

However, now that the Google lawyers have approved this open and honest disclosure about TP, was this an "exception to the rule" due to extenuating circumstances (incredibly justified, IMO, and serves many "greater goods"), or is this public "was banned by Google" disclosure an official Google precedent? In other words, will more SEO companies and their "innocent or not" clients be appropriately subjected to public humiliation based on well researched and evaluated, individual situations?

So, this isn't "outing"? Or,

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So, this isn't "outing"? Or, if the general consensus is that Traffic Power / 1P are asshats then it doesn't matter?

That's *exactly* what I thought too, Claus. This is 'outing'.

Of course it's an outing

But there are always exceptions to any rule. We don't generally allow outings on my forum either, but I made the exception years ago when this was news to allow it.

Some companies are such ass hats that we would be remiss in not getting the word out.

...there's been some

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...there's been some discussion lately involving that term. It's not one I use personally.

Which term Claus, Outing... or Asshats? hehe, I think the action/use of either is appropriate with these guys.

Matt, way to step up to the plate for a good cause.

Thanks Matt

I think it's great that Matt posted it. I think he deserves kudos for it.

Collective sigh of relief

Seems like a collective sigh of relief combined with a few whoops of delight have just gone up from the webmaster community at large!

Kudos to Matt Cutts.

Well done Matt... About time

Well done Matt... About time this was settled.

ass hats :)

I love it Jill LOL. Very well put!

OK>..

So..if they are such 'asshats' why didn't google out them months ago when this all started? Why wait to disclose this?

is this the twillight zone?

i never thought i would see so many spammers on tw thanking matt for kicking out a spammer (albeit not a nice spammer)

spammers

i never thought i would see so many spammers on tw thanking matt for kicking out a spammer (albeit not a nice spammer)

I thought that in the real world, spammers do aggressive stuff on their OWN sites, not their clients.

TP crossed the line, thats why the aggressive seo's are pissed.

I'd say their gameplay after

I'd say their gameplay after the incident had 90% do with the attitudes here. If they *have* a PR department I'd be looking for heads to roll.

I like 'asshats', but muppets is better for us Brits ;)

Wasn't me

Claus mentioned the asshats previously...I just liked it. I think maybe it was Aaron who coined it to begin with?

i dont like tp

i'm just noting that alot of people are thanking matt for something they normally aren't happy about.

btw spammers do agressive stuff on any site they want as long as the ROI is there, good consultants don't unnecessarily risk their clients site (especially since there are so many other alternatives), yes it is possible to be a spammer and a good consultant

Anil Dash did it

I didn't coin the term "asshats". I don't know why I came to think of it relative to this issue. Must have been a coincidence... I like the term though.

On second thought, it does not look like it was Aaron who coined it. Actually it seems to have been Anil Dash who brought the term to Threadwatch

Well done Matt. It looks

Well done Matt. It looks good on Traffic Power for their "Stupid Hat" pratices.

domain still available

asshatseo.com still up for grabs

Thank You Matt

For all the hard time we give G, and speculate to their motives (which are probably wrong at least half the time). I think this one was genuinely good intentions stemming from Matt. He took more initiative than our "industry organization" to help right what we all know was a wrong (mainly TP's lack of respect for their clients and for the industry community).

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I thought that in the real world, spammers do aggressive stuff on their OWN sites, not their clients.

TP crossed the line, thats why the aggressive seo's are pissed.

I have no problem with spammers doing their job, consultants doing their job, or engineers doing their job. They all have their place. We all know where they crossed the line with a lack of respect for the community as a whole, and for their clients.

They gave EVERYONE in SEO a bad name, and then bullied folks who called 'em on it.

I'll even spare my normal speculation as to other alternative agendas and just extend a very grateful thank you for helping out our friends who needed and deserved it.

On second thought, it does

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On second thought, it does not look like it was Aaron who coined it. Actually it seems to have been Anil Dash who brought the term to Threadwatch

I hereby nominate claus as ThreadWatch Historian. Any seconds?

Whatever happened to their

Whatever happened to their little seobook lawsuit? lol
It's amazing how people in glasshouses will pick the biggest rocks and keep on throwing them. TP has been pushing the limits of what's acceptable in seo for years. About time the Google lawyers give the green light to out folks like that!

Asshat Redux

>>Anil Dash who brought the term to Threadwatch

Maybe to TW, but I found a 2002 entry for 'asshat' in the Urban Dictionary and 1999 military reference to 'Asshats and REMFs'. (rear-echelon m'fucker)

FNGs. ;)

SECONDED!

It has been moved and seconded to make Claus the Threadwatch Historian.

All those in favor state "Aye"...

"a line in the sand"

"We all know where they (TP) crossed the line with a lack of respect for the community as a whole, and for their clients."

So true stuntdubl! But, let's not forget the most important part of the search marketing equation = the online search user. Without them, and their trust in getting at the top of the 1st SERP, web sites that are the most relevant to their intent, and quality content sites that are easily comprehended and navigable for humans, mostly, (as well as SE robots), there would not be a healthy, growing Search Marketing Industry or even highly monetized SE's, IMO. They really have to "win" first in order for there to be a true long term "win-win-win" business situation for everyone involved.

Someday, I'd like to hear your "..normal speculation as to other alternative agendas..", as I'm sure you will be right on target with your speculation.

For now, let's be open to the possibility that "the very obvious line" that TP crossed is probably, to some degree, a "line in the sand" ( http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=LINE%20IN%20THE%20SAND ) which means that it is a "temporary boundary marker" that can be redrawn by the SE's and the Search Marketing community (made "closer to cross"), if temporarily erased by anyone.

Aye!

Aye!

my next domain

Turns out nobody has registered asshatseo.com yet...
This is good news, Aaron..... ADT.

301 it

Dan, be sure to redirect it to trafficpower.com. Hehehe

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