UK Police & control of "terror" web sites

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UK police chiefs seek powers to attack terror websites
Story Text:

The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) have put forward a their "shopping list" of controls they are seeking on web sites, in the wake of London bombings, at their meeting with the UK Government on Thursday.

The Register has a report on it. The list appears to include - points 1 to 6 below are all quotes from the Register article

1. "powers to attack identified websites".
2. a new offence covering "use of the internet to prepare, encourage, facilitate acts of terrorism"
3.ACPO therefore clearly envisages the security services being given the power to attack a wider range of websites than those simply associated with international terrorism.
4. The security forces already have the capability to deal with websites that are within UK jurisdiction, which means that the major target must be sites beyond it
5.ACPO's general commentary on the 'acts preparatory' legislation says: " It will allow the police and intelligence agencies to intervene at an early stage early to protect the public and will go some way towards countering the negative messages we receive concerning terrorism arrests and subsequent charging/prosecution figures"
6.ACPO also, puzzlingly, calls for the creation of an offence "not to disclose encryption keys etc."

Personally I find the thing quite frightening. What would fall under the definition of a site that could help terrorists. For example Wikipeda can tell you how to make the stuff that may well have been used to carry out the London bombings - and TW now carries a link (until Nick removes it) to the Wikipedia page.


I can see the line of

I can see the line of teenagers leading to the courts already....

6.ACPO also, puzzlingly,

6.ACPO also, puzzlingly, calls for the creation of an offence "not to disclose encryption keys etc."

I thought it was already an offence to refuse to allow access to encryption keys.

I thought it was already an offence

Brian - you are right it already is an offence. El Reg points out that they have so many new laws that they don't actually know any more what they do have on the atatute book - that why its puzzling that they want the same law again

Part 3 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act however already includes such an offence. In 53, 5 it say that a person guilty of such an offence is liable to "imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to a fine, or to both."

I read this post earlier and...

I read this post earlier and was surprised to see the Wikipeda article go into such detail.

Just going through some Directory Lists (cutting out the dead ones, adding the new, etc) and found a site with a "Terrorism" category. Out of curiosity i had a look and as i suspected it was mostly links to anti-terror sites and the like....but the third or fourth link said "Al Qaeda Training Manual". Now i assumed this was some asshole kid or a fake link so i had a look,'s only on the freaking US Department of Justice site! The full manual is available for all the world to see. Now, will the UK gov allow them to "attack" the US Department of Justice site? Not likely, a polite email asking them to remove it would probably be a wiser course of action...

Oh, and here's the link... feel free to remove it Nick ;)

The Department (of Justice)

The Department (of Justice) is only providing the following selected text from the manual because it does not want to aid in educating terrorists or encourage further acts of terrorism.


This might be worth a watch

This might be worth a watch for those in the UK

The New Al-Qaeda
25th July 9:00pm - 10:00pm BBC2
Reporter Peter Taylor lays his cards on the table straight away when he takes a thinly veiled dig at documentary maker Adam Curtis and his trilogy The Power of Nightmares. Taylor says he has never believed that al-Qaeda is "a nightmare dreamt up by politicians to hold the electorate in their thrall", the central theme of Curtis's films. In this new series, effectively started with a Panorama special after the London bombings of 7 July, Taylor tracks the changing nature of al-Qaeda with the growth of "internet terrorism" and the apparent ease with which inflammatory material, including downloaded videos of beheadings and suicide bombings, is disseminated on the worldwide web. He talks to a webmaster based in Britain, who has no compunction about the violent nature of the material that routinely appears on his site, and to various experts. It's as stark and as chilling as you could possibly expect.

a week later

So where are all those people from a couple of weeks ago who thought curtailment of civil liberties was appropriate in the current environment?

The shopping list is only going to get longer.

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