New Search Technologies - Is there Room?

This article in Business Week is interesting, not in so much as it mentions "new search technologies" that we all have heard of, but in that Business Week is aimed at investors

They talk about

  1. Nextaris.com is trying to mesh social networking tools with search.

  2. Become.com, launched by the same two guys who created MySimon.com. Become.com, which is currently in Beta, is attempting to be a better Froogle
  3. Other recent additions include blog search sites Technorati.com and Feedster.com. Even Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks, has financed a new search site in the past half a year.

And end up concluding

Quote:
Though these sites are seemingly coming into an already crowded search market, dominated by the likes of Google.com and Yahoo.com, there's still room, I think -- especially for sites that, like Nextaris.com, are trying to take search to the next level.

Google, beware!

Worth maybe a couple of points off G's stock when it opens

- Y! MyWeb

Love it

I *love* these new gadgets and gizmos, much, much fun! Never heard of nextaris though, cheers cornwall...


Never heard of nextaris

Must confess I hadn't either - thought I must have missed it somewhere down the line.

Have it installed now, but it doesn't seem to be too user friendly - maybe when you get used to it.


There is a lot to come.

I agree, search and it's uses are still in infancy. As technology has improved, come down in cost, and executives are seing the many uses within their business, more and more search will embedded in everyday things we do without even knowing that it is embedded.

I signed up for Nextaris after I posted about the system. I intend to have a look at it over the next few days and see just how useful it really is - I am really interested in their mobile version.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Become comes out of beta which is predicted in a few months. They have had quite a bit of publicity in the past couple of weeks and Tom Foremski is certainly pushing it but will it move out into general search from shopping (and all things related) or is there any need for it to?

One of the best uses of search I have seen is the way Reuters used it. They spidered all their client's sites, ran the data against what they had paid Reuters to use. Found an awful lot of discrepencies and got a lot more money from current clients.


Wow

Sorry ET, that would have gone on the homepage had i seen it, dont be afraid to pm me if you think i've missed something!


You think I know.....

what you would put on the front page? Anyway, I wouldn't think even I would be so presumptuous.


Google down on NASDAQ opening

Its usually clear what the traders read, Business Week and not TW :-). G shares are down by about 1%

In first hours trading today Google down $2.13 or 1.15%

No doubt they will recover later in the day, but they are dropping like a stone right now, down $2.46 or 1.33% on the day as I typed this.

The stock ticker is here so you can see any up to date changes.

Google's worry must be a shift in confidence by the investing world. I am sure this is not it, but when you consider G's net worth is around $50 billion, a fall of 1% is $500 million


FactBites.com

I just saw a post on Factbites.com over at SearchEngineJournal

Quote:
What do you get if you cross a search engine with an encyclopedia? Factbites. Under the slogan “where results make sense", Factbites provides searchers with full sentences about their search topic, rather than the sentence fragments that most other search engines offer.

Rather than focusing on link-based technology like Google, Factbites looks into the tone and subject matter of the given topic. The engine reportedly “reads” the content of each page and determines how meaningful the text is. It seeks out authoritative and informative content, preferring encyclopedia-style fact-based descriptions to the chatty, spammy and inconsequential.

Anyone know much about that?


Soople

And here's another Google overlay coutesy of SearchLounge

Looks like just the advanced stuff made simple, but that's not necessarily a bad thing...


Dunno but some of my searches

Dunno but some of my searches are there were very good.


Right

I did a couple, and they were quite good, but it certainly wasn't any kind of deep test :)

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I'm not belittling the technology that's required, but there are more than a few search engines out there that are getting "quite good." The issue now is, imo, more marketing related and I think the deciding battleground will have two major fronts: entertainment (in particular, the coming digital living room) and portable devices.


How?

How do search a portable device? Do you mean software apps to plugin to these things like DeskTop Search?

Here's another, they're coming out of the wooodwork! Brainboost, again from searchlounge


In a word, convergence. Ipod has finished opening the floodgates. Do a scan down the latest Digital Life awards.
http://www.digitallife.com/exh_bestofshow.html

In particular, look at this one from Dell.


Phone's next Killer App is going to be local search

according to Fast's Stephen Baker in this News.com article.

Quote:
Google, Fast Search, Yahoo, America Online and UpSnap.com are among those eyeing various pieces of the market. Google and Yahoo, for example, are examining and testing mobile devices as a way to extend their search franchises and potentially boost revenues.

The article mostly is speaking about using SMS to deliver the results - but I think technology will go further than that.

All this talk could now leave YPs with a dwindling business.

Quote:
In the opposite corner, yellow pages and directory services companies are angling to protect their businesses and advertiser relationships as more people grow accustomed to using new technologies for search. Cell phone carriers also are assessing Internet directory and search services as potential new revenue drivers.

I was at a Kelsey local search conference in Calif. early last year and heard one of the major YP guys saying from the stage that he was keeping it simple for his clients by selling them "buckets of clicks - how big a bucket do you want." I noticed by their fall conference the 'buckets of clicks' had disappeared.

Quote:
"The issue is, people haven't figured out how to make mobile information delivery work," said George Harik, director of Google's entrepreneurial division Googlettes.

"If you fix those issues, it makes the delivery of advertising possible," Harik said. "Monetization always follows use, and the stage we're in is perfecting usage."

I'd like to have a look/chat with the Googlettes to see what they are doing.

If you want to see an old f0t0 of said Stephen Baker and other old buggers, do go here. - any memories?


memories

No, I'm too old to remember that, ET. Things are foggy now in my declining years. I do try and stop by and see Mackin in the nursing home every now and again. Sad, really. (Note to Nick, you'd better put another Gig or two on the swear-word filter.)

IMO, "pure" phones, even superSmart phones are going to be overtaken by something like the Dell. Reading Beattie, he's always raving over yet-another incremental step phones are taking toward pocket-computerdom. PDAs, handheld games, even laptops are having their own convergence. Take a look at the Nintendo NS, dual screens, lcd 'keyboard.' Then fire up the on-board, though bastardized, wi-fi. This sold for $120 US, and I think it's about 2 hacks away from a pocket PC. But as for search, yeah, I'm with Baker on this one. Throw in a little voice recognition and augment the GPS chip and local becomes daily-use for both YP and mapping directions.


An improved (?) search

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The purpose of FyberSearch Web Thoughts is to tell you what the web thinks about all kinds of issues. You should not use to tool if you are trying to find a web page containing a specific keyword or phrase. You should use it if you would like to read sentences about a specific keyword or phrase. FyberSearch Web Thoughts is similar to reading a book.

Three new advanced features have been added to FyberSearch Web Thoughts (http://wt.fybersearch.com). They are "sort by", "words per sentence" and "user level". The sort by feature allows users to order the results by various criteria. The words per sentence feature allows users to only view sentences that contain a specific number of words. The user level feature allows users to view more information about each URL shown in the results. There is also the option to save these settings for later visits to FyberSearch Web Thoughts. Complete help and features can be found here.

Topical searches could be: http://wt.fybersearch.com/search.php?sen_sep=&sen_sec=&sb=&wps=&n=&fn=0&q=michael+jackson
or
http://wt.fybersearch.com/search.php?sen_sep=&sen_sec=&sb=&wps=&n=&fn=0&q=google+toolbar

And of course there is Brainboost, the project, sponsored by NASA's Langley Research Center which represents a new approach in research support systems. It is comprised of a hub of technologies, the futuristic research environment combines multiple technology platforms to facilitate a scenario whereby a researcher can pose a question in natural language and receive an answer in seconds.

Quote:
Brainboost is not a chatbot. It was designed to answer questions which are factual in nature

Try http://www.brainboost.com/search.asp?Q=how+do+you+attach+metal+to+plastic&Submit=Ask

and my personal favourite brainbooster with a single result:

http://www.brainboost.com/search.asp?Q=how+do+i+make+an+astronaut+fly&Submit=Ask

Then there is the one we all want to know here.