A good thread over at WMW about how we have all become a bunch of brainwashed webmasters obeying everything Google has to say.
Piffle like this is one of the many reasons I no longer read wmw.
I haven't actively read WMW in over two years. Assuming that thread is representative of the posts there it doesn't appear that much has changed.
not read the original post, but the quote:
how we have all become a bunch of brainwashed webmasters obeying everything Google has to say.
.... certainly applies to 'them' but hopefully not to 'us'.
Personally, I have generally taken Google's 'statements' on spam as more of a guide to where they are currently experiencing difficulties that can still be exploited, rather than an instruction to 'be a good boy or else'.
Why do things always have to be a we vs. them discussion here? Do you see those forums publicly denouncing Threadwatch? No you don't, that's not our cup of tea.
The topic has actually sparked some very good discussion.
I read the piece this morning, mainly because I have a lot of time for tedster who engaged with the poster.
Just saying it's piffle without any qualification reflects badly on us IMHO.
And no, I'm not a wmw fan - never go there - never really liked it that much all those years ago - as I was joining the real talent was leaving - LOL
Why do things always have to be a we vs. them discussion here
They don't - did anyone suggest they did?
In this case, the issue seems fairly basic though - when someone uses 'we' in a statement, it suggests that it includes all the readers. If one believes that the majority of the members of this forum do not fit in with that profile, then it is perfectly valid to emphasise that as an 'us' and 'them' discussion. How else would you choose to make the point?
There is no real need to bring your 'hurt' from other posts into this one.
Of course, if you disagree with this sentiment and believe it applies to everyone, and specifically to members of Threadwatch, feel free to say so.
I'd half expect it from you P1R, as you always were a stalwart member of 'them' anyway ;)
Having now read the whole WMW world thread in full, I feel confirmed in my view that it is only restating points that were made over at WMW and elsewhere years ago - adding a few up-to-date elements, but essentially the same old stuff. It is a major point of discussion largely because the visitor profile over there has changed so much over the years.
Not sure what that implies as I have no hurt from other posts.
While it may be "old news" for you, its a great topic for discussion without all the usual whining.
You guys/gals have a niche community here. WebmasterWorld is a bit larger and appeals to a much broader audience (a bunch of niches together). "All" topics of discussion may not be suited to your tastes.
It just pains me when I see the negative tones implied at the public level between communities, it doesn't leave a good impression.
I read all of you. It's not a we vs them proposition. We're in this together. I don't do cliques. And yes, I am a Stalwart supporter of the community as a whole, not just WebmasterWorld. :)
Stop being such a dirty hippy, who gives a crap if some people are offended. The level of discussion on WMW general forums stinks, is usually late to getting the point, and filled with Google rah rah. Am I to oooh and aaahh over something we have discussed here ages ago?
The only thing that I see thats remotely interesting there is that the google fandom isn't quite as intense on WMW as it once was.
Stop being such a dirty hippy, who gives a crap if some people are offended.
lol! I like that. Reminded me of just how "young" I still am.
That's whats needed round' here, some "Flower Power". ;)
Snicker, snicker, snicker...
After all. If google says "don't" it means "do it like hell" right?
What a great list of don'ts they have compiled. I wish it would get longer and save me having to go out there and learn from other places.
is that the google fandom isn't quite as intense on WMW as it once was.
A good point - normally the 'google is not God' posts get swamped by the 'hey, back off you cynic' posters - this time it is not so clear cut.
P1R, just joshing yer - no offense intended.
For WMW, that's a pretty heady thread. Not the usual put on your tin-foil-hats, because Google is going to penalize you if you use the letter Q nine times on one page that has affiliate links in a "certain niche" related to jello but not pudding crap.
WMW's average visitor is certainly not as knowledgeable about the Web and SEO as the TW crowd. All the more reason why a thread like that is important over there. Not many in here are drinking the KoolAid.
Man, some people jus' never have a nice word...live life, be happy. Me, I'm just trying to keep G out of my underware. ;-)
Where does that rank in the Software, Brochureware, Vapourware heirarchy?
to scare webmasters out of their shorts. :p
put on your tin-foil-hats, because Google is going to penalize you if you use the letter Q nine times on one page that has affiliate links in a "certain niche" related to jello but not pudding crap.
you made my tin-foil hat explode. :)
Me, I'm just trying to keep G out of my underware. ;-)
Oh no... now G is going for the underware...
I am so glad I'm a Dirty Hippy and don't wear any... ;-)
I always been amazed at how otherwise thoughtful, intelligent, forward thinking web builders fell for all the horse crap that the plex spews out, the writing was on the wall well before they went public.
When it come to google most webmasters turn into wimps.
I think we're seeing a new genertaion of web publishers now. Remember Google gathered it's hobby web publishers by offering $35/month in "earnings" when no one else was offering anything. That paid for the hobby's direct expenses.
Things are different today. One of these days someone will notice that and undercut Google. One of these days...
I don't think WMW has a lot to say to this crowd. The top moderators are all gone since years to better forums.
Can we not avoid linking to WMW unless there is really something new?
As something new out of WMW is highly unlikely we will bothered by the endless nattering there any time soon again.
Normally I would agree with you, ronsard, but having re-read the WMW thread I think this IS something new.
There are mods and admins in that thread who are, on the face of it, switching from the old WMW 'Google-hugging' position to the 'real world' view.
I used to be a WMW mod some years ago, and there were 'discussions' behind the scenes over Google's growing power and influence and, specifically, the fact that Google was using WMW as a personal advertising channel. I think that, at the time, it was decided that Google posting at WMW was 'good for business', and that was the end of it. The mods and admins that held the contrary view were mostly the ones that jumped ship and the replacement mods were mostly drinking the Google Koolaid.
The fact that this is changing, albeit a couple of years too late, has to be seen as significant IMO.
Lets hope it trickles down to the newbies.
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