Online Gambling to Return to America?

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Not Today but Soon... Maybe...

The WTO and most of the rest of the world now agrees that the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (The UIGEA you remember, the Bill that was attached to the completely non-related Port Security Bill in the middle of the night, in a back room, by a few slimy US Senators on their last day in power)... is a protectionist law.

The W.T.O. Has ruled that the U.S. legislation criminalizing online betting violates WTO commercial services accords.

Source: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/business/2004/mar/24/516580670.html

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Would be good but unlikely.

Would be good but unlikely. My impression of W.T.O decisions is that everyone completely ignores them unless they are in their own national interests.

Yeah, but you can make a

Yeah, but you can make a case that the ban was only introduced to pander to narrow political interests in the US, some rightists who oppose gambling, and the powerful offline gambling lobby who want more time to sort out what they are going to do about the online environment.

A WTO judgement would provide a face-saving way to go back on that policy ("But guys, it's the law too... you DO respect the law, right?"), and give the US tax authorities access to all that lovely loot...

Pretty amazingly misleading

Pretty amazingly misleading headline, which I forget is either causing the downfall or resurgence of this site...

Edited title

... to add a question mark.

A WTO judgement would

A WTO judgement would provide a face-saving way to go back on that policy ("But guys, it's the law too... you DO respect the law, right?"), and give the US tax authorities access to all that lovely loot...

Good point. They still have to work out how to tax these companies in Costa Rica/Gibraltar but I'm guessing they would happily come under US jurisdiction to access that market again.

And yes - headline is misleading.

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>"Pretty amazingly misleading headline..."
>"And yes - headline is misleading."
OK - So you don't like my title.

However, I do believe it is only a matter of time until online gambling will return to America, this is just one more step toward that happening. So IMO the title is not so misleading.

Never thought I would feel I had to defend a title of a post... Makes it not really worth the effort to post a story in my opinion...

Oh ya, for anyone interested in the 'story' and not just the title of this post, there is a very good write up at CasinoMeister by jetset
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-industry-discussion/17243-antigua-wins-wto-case.html

As far as I can tell the US

As far as I can tell the US don't give a shit about the WTO unless it supports their POV. This case has been won and appealed a number of times, with the US completely ignoring it other than appealing.

Its all a scam..

To keep money in the US so the rich get richer, and the poor and middle class get poorer. I lost thousands of dollars Betting Online, but still would play if I could. People spend money to get tickets for sport events, rock concerts, comedy shows... I paid money for the rush of gambling. Can't beat it. I hope the appeal wins. Also, i was able to recover some of my losses.. check out: [SPAM]

Doesn't Matter

The WTO is not going to change anything the US does. BushCo has spit in the face of most international laws for the past 6 years, why start obeying them now? Online gambling just needs to do what the Indian Casinos, Horse Racing, and state lottery boards do and buy off congress.

The US has a good record

The US has a good record complying with WTO rules apprently. Pretty self serving digusting protection policy that needs to be changed IMO.

Don't bet on it

A WTO judgement would provide a face-saving way to go back on that policy

WTO has no impact on this and offers no political cover.

the powerful offline gambling lobby who want more time to sort out what they are going to do about the online environment.

This is the core issue. Under the guise of 'regulation' to protect people from themselves, the offline industry will have a leg up since they are already regulated, 'legitimate', and taxable. This is where the political cover is in the US for both sides.

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The US has no interest in saving face. sadly, the country is run by a group of 70+ year old men only interested in things they understand, or that will do favors for folks they know.

Sadly, none of them is in the least bit savvy, so the concepts presented by the Internet in general are beyond their comprehension.

It's a pretty sh1tty government that allows riders of completely unrelated focus to coast through - man, talk about building a system of law-making with the intent to subvert the system.

Here's to the US Congress and Senate... dumba$$es...

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Mr. Turner said:
>>"Online gambling just needs to do what the Indian Casinos, Horse Racing, and state lottery boards do and buy off congress."

Well the Online Casino Business tried that... Ever heard of Jack Ambroff? He is currently setting in prison for bribing congressmen for some online casinos...

"These services (Online Casinos) present psychological dangers to some segments of society, as well as creating serious social problems and law enforcement difficulties," the United States said in statements at the WTO when Antigua filed the case last July...

Of course betting on Horse Racing or Lotteries or BINGO or going to a Indian Casino are not creating any problems at all... What a two faced bunch of bullshit... Only a Government spokes person can spew crap like that with a straight face...

Actually jack is in jail for

Actually jack is in jail for indian casinos, not online casinos.

Not exactly...

>>>"Actually jack is in jail for indian casinos, not online casinos."

Not exactly, Mr. Ambroff was taking Lobbying Payments from the Indian Casinos to promote their agenda, but in fact he was promoting the legalization of Online Gambling in the US, against the wishes of the Indian Casinos he was getting the money from. Why do you think the Indian Casinos were so pissed off at him???

Mr. Ambroff was found guilty of racketeering and bribery charges, as was Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham one of the Congressman Ambroff bribed in a failed attempt to legalize Online Gambling in the US.

Online Gambling Industry

These days some of the best gambling websites are loosing popularity due to US laws.

Several offshore gaming websites have suffered a major set back after FBI started poking its nose in poker and casino related gambling websites.

It is quite strange the U.S govt is also banning non-gambling related websites. So basically any website which promotes the idea of online games are under sctrutiny.

Several recreation gaming websites are facing the brunt of U.S gambling laws.

Pathetic

Go and play elsewhere sonny - coming back and clumsily adding your hidden link. Class.

I am going to ask a stupid

I am going to ask a stupid question. Please understand I don't gamble at all. (OK. Maybe I've sharked a few people out of paying for lunch with a mean game of Canasta, but that's about it.)

Why would the US -- or anyone else -- want to limit or prevent online gambling? Don't they get their cut anyway? Or is that the problem? They don't get their cut?

Just how our system works

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Why would the US -- or anyone else -- want to limit or prevent online gambling? Don't they get their cut anyway? Or is that the problem? They don't get their cut?

It's politics, nothing more. The government would make a fortune taxing it, as they do taxing legalized casinos and horse racing in the US. The problem is that the Indian Casinos and horse tracks have big lobbyists in Washington who buy all the Congressmen they need. Until online casinos can buy off enough people in Congress, it'll never get passed.

There's also a small "ethical" stance some have made. The Christian right controls much of the Republican party, and they don't want gambling made legal. It's also easier to get a cute photo-op supporting a gambling ban that will "save our society" versus supporting gambling and opening yourself up to criticism from the family groups.

All in all, it's a big load of crap. The government supports lotto, race track betting and Indian casinos. They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

OH INTERESTING! So this is

OH INTERESTING!

So this is about brick and mortar casinos not wanting the competition from online casinos.

I understand now. Thank you.

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