Jason Calacanis takes another cheap shot at SEOs

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Jason Calacanis on SEOs...

These are guys in really bad suits trying to get really naive people to sign long-term contracts. These clients typically make horrible products and don't deserve traffic--that's why they're not getting it organically so they hire the slimebuckets to game the system for them.

Note: There are some whitehat SEO firms out there I know, but frankly the whitehat SEO companies are simply doing solid web design so I don't consider them SEO at all. SEO is a tainted term and it means "gaming the system" to 90% of us.

This whole gaming of digg/Netscape/MySpace is being called SMO--social media optimization. That's the worst thing I've ever heard of. Anyone who hires an SMO firm is an idiot. The whole point of social media is TO BE REAL NOT FAKE!!! Just be yourself and participate... that's all it takes (and note, participation is not just putting in your own links, it's voting/commenting on/submitting other people's content too!).

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the boys over at sequoia

the boys over at sequoia must sure be proud of their new mouthpiece.

If SEO Is Such Bullshit...

why do people keep dedicating their time and energy to putting it down and writing blog and articles about it? All these people spending their time writing about how SEO is bullshit remind me of the insecure people in High School who tried to be cool by putting other people down; which they only did to deflect attention away from their own shortcomings....

Asshat...

I just spent two days with this idiot in Florida at a Summit. What a tool with no personality.

Trolling

SEO's aren't as bad as spoiled brats who's only way of getting attention is to badmouth other peoples' profession.

No good SEO works for clients

It is so much easier to make way more money, while not having to put up with all the client-related bullshit, that I can't imagine a single good SEO that would rather work for some SEO company, instead of having his own sites. By definition, all people working for such companies are second-stringers that couldn't make it on their own. How can anybody expect them to be of any real help? It really makes me laugh when they are claiming to be "SEO experts."

This is great stuff!

This is great stuff!!

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so they hire the slimebuckets to game the system for them

90% of the time I am 'slimebucketing' what I am really doing is building an HTML version of their all flash site so the search engines can read it, or installing a wordpress blog to replace their all imagemap based site, or building a dynamic sitemap for the client.. or adding a 301 redirect from the non-www to the www.

I don't consider any of that 'slimebucketing'

I don't know if this guy offended me actually though... sort of shows more of his lack of understanding of the industry than anything else.

That guy is a retard. I

That guy is a retard.

I thought he was supposed to be smart?

I wonder what he thinks of the Fortune 100 companies and their products that have in-house SEOs or outsource their SEO work. There are a LOT of them.

Did any see the youtube

Did any see the youtube video he posted with it ? lol.. its funny

I think the slimebuckets are

I think the slimebuckets are the ones that steal other people's ideas.

Just be yourself and

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The whole point of social media is TO BE REAL NOT FAKE!!! Just be yourself and participate... that's all it takes (and note, participation is not just putting in your own links, it's voting/commenting on/submitting other people's content too!). -- Jason Calcanis
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I just spent two days with this idiot in Florida at a Summit. What a tool with no personality. -- Someone who spent time with Jason Calcanis

There you go. Social media: real people, telling the truth*.

*Disclaimer: Allegedly. The poster of this post (me) has no real knowledge that the poster of that other post (so referenced, above) actually did spend time with a Tool in Florida, or is qualified to render opinion on the (alleged) personality of said Tool.

hrmm

I wonder if the "Anonymous Scardycat" is actually Jason. He knows this would be the place to bait in all the seo's.

well, I did say 90%--not 100%

Are 100% of SEO folks evil/bad/slime!??! OF course not... that is why I said 90%, not 100%.

We all know that SEO has a very bad reputation.

We all know there are folks doing all kinds of blackhat stuff out there like Google Bombs, Linkfarms, spamming digg/netscape/stumble/google video, etc.

Are there good people doing good work who put themselves in the SEO bucket? sure... but I think those folks are doing basic website design (i.e. how to structure the page) and giving people very basic advice on how to title their pages, create more content, and get links. I guess some folks need help with those basic things and the Whitehat SEO folks have a place in the world, but truth be told if you build something of quality over a period of time you'll do just fine.

Everyone would do much better at the end of the day if SEO didn't exist. It's a nasty cold war in which everyone feels they have to trick the system and it leaves site owners chasing their tails like fools. Wikipedia, Engadget, and Netscape all have amazing ranking and it's because they have been around a long time, they have great content, and they don't play games. Playing games is not worth it if you're gonna live with your domain name for a long time because google will catch you if you play games and you will have that domain name blacklisted... that's just not worth it (unless you're making 10 new domains a week for some scam).

... and to the dude who spent two days with me in Florida sorry I didn't live up to your expectation.

So, to clarify...

90% of SEOs are black hat scum
10% of SEOs are white hat and ok

white hat SEOs are not actually doing any SEO

Think that is what you are saying.

How can a person be so

How can a person be so against SEO while selling text links for scuba blackjack online? Is Jason ahead of the market on global warming?

Playing games?

Jason, you sound very sour. Thinking deeper I wonder what it is?

I hate to state the obvious,

I hate to state the obvious, but I'd guess that 90% of "SEO's" are in fact useless frauds.

They are work at home web designer/SEO/Internet marketer/ any other "profession" that they can do without getting an actual education.

They take thousands of dollars, change a few meta tags, bolden some words, italicize some words, create a few dozen doorway pages, and call it good.

Definition of WhiteHat SEO?

Maybe the SEO folks need to initiate education efforts to explain to the "public" what SEO is.

Meanwhile;

Anybody has a qualified definition of WhiteHat SEO? ;-)

I have to give credit to Jason Calacanis

I have to give credit to Jason for even showing up here... in essance a hotbed of the people he just insulted.

Regardless, I disagree with you 100%. What you call 'basic webdesign' I call 'great, all flash, needs alot of work'

Your defintion of 'webdesign' and mine vary greatly. When someone says they are a web designer from an Ad Agency... I am picturing a Google Text cache showing up all blank. Filled with everything from Flash to images with no Alt Tags, running the same title tag across the site...

That is what I call a designer...

As far as your industry wide slam on link bait.. you should be thankful.. in essance what you just got from the link on threadwatch is exactly what many of us do for our clients.. abit no where near as hostile as yours.

Yup, that's the obvious

The folks you see at the conferences are the 10% of SEO's. The other 90% do exactly what JohnScott says (if that). I spoke to someone that does 'SEO' for their clients who was very tightlipped about what he did. He didn't seem to understand what I was talking about though when I asked about 'developing links'. Most SEO'ers around here have an active interest in that discussion - this guy was kind of slack jawed on the subject.

Fortunately, that kind of lackluster performance can get you ranked in the top 10 on non-competitive phrases - and for many clients that's indicative enough of performance and they're happy.

Wheel :)

Hey Wheel,

I never attended a confrence :)

LOL!

We all know..

that SEO has a very bad reputation?

Like the mechanic that says your turn signal fluid is low. Every profession has some bad eggs. When you start generalizing everyone into bad or good groups , you look like an idiot. Give us three specific instances of someone doing what you say is bad. I will make a generalization and say everyone named Jason is a child molester. See how dumb that looks.

I can't believe everyone

I can't believe everyone fell for Calcanis's linkbait yet again. We all know all this guy does is mouth off to get attention. Why do people consider this guy an expert anyway? Anyone can create popular blogs/magazines if you get some cash and hire great writers.

There must be some jealousy out there as his relevance is fading.

So who cares what his name is?

Natasha said;
>>>"why do people keep dedicating their time and energy to putting it down and writing blog and articles about it?" (it = SEO)

That girl from marketing hit the nail on the head. ;-)

Why does this no name guy put down a profession and a group of people he obviously knows very little about?

Simply because he is a "no name" and he wants to become a real NAME that people recoginize.

So the no name guy insults an entire profession and a group of high profile SEOs, hoping for some attention and a little name recognition.

Hey, whatever your name is... Why don't you try to build yourself up without trying to put others down... I know its hard for people like you, but it really is the ONLY way to get a head and stay there...

If you keep going the way you have been, perdy soon everyone is gonna figure out you really don't have a clue about SEO and are just trying to promote yourself...

Danny's take on it

I can't believe everyone

I can't believe everyone fell for Calcanis's linkbait yet again.

Sanest comment, randolph198.

...

Ever notice how this guys name just keeps poping up on the top of all the articles...

This thread and Danny's article and all the other threads about this all lead with this guys name...

This is looking more and more like a marketing campaine for this no name guy...

Yawn

Even talking about this man is a waste of breath. Damn, I just wasted 20 seconds of my time writing this post.

>I can't believe everyone fell for Calcanis's linkbait yet again

Ain't that the truth! You know, when I was a kid I used to visit my uncle's farm. He had a HUGE, corrugated-metal henhouse ...damn thing was about 300 ft long. I loved to take a stick and run it along those metal panels just to hear the hens squawk & cluck.

Typical case of penis

Typical case of penis envy.

When someone starts shooting percentages from the hip with nothing to back it up, then uses lame excuses like the real SEO firms are web designers...

Sounds like someones jealous of the light switch... :P

I think the debate is good

I think the debate is good for us all. Of course I might be wrong.

I just watched "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" which I recommend if you can stomach some real-world humor that includes the SouthPark guys at their worst and John Waters. Anyway in the documentary the filmmaker hires a private detective. She is a divorced mother and obviously a low-budget hire. She has good intentions, but I cringed when she "tried" to do the job. A dark minivan parked out front of the suspect's building, with this lady peering out through her binoculars, waiting all day, watching. Any one of us would have put some technology to work, staying covert, getting high-res imagery, and doing an awesome job compared to her and her trainee daughter. She stumbled along, did her best, and her behavior was actually part of the story.

But in the end she got all the information. Her work exposed the film ratings board members... all wealthy executives of the studios or theatres or clergy members, and not at all who the film ratings board steadfastly proclaimed they hired as reviewers of movies (regular people which children between 5 and 17 years old).

Had that private detective been an SEO you would all say she was a talentless hack, charlatan, newbie, wannabee, or whatever. Yet for this client she got the job done, and she'll certainly do even better next time given the experience. Isn't that what a market is all about?

Or are we judging SEO by what Jason Calcanis says SEO should be? Ya gotta ask why that is....

Personally I can't wait to see jason's new project. I hear it's "da-bomb".

I always wondered who the

I always wondered who the "Tucker Carlson of the Internet" was. Now I know. See you around Sequoia, Tucker.

http://www.scoreboard-media.com/jason-calacanis-hatorade/

I made a visual.

PS. Photoshop is also Snake Oil.

People really ought to stop

People really ought to stop linking to this cock.

> Google Bombs

Great idea Jason, what term would you like?

JohnScott is right

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I hate to state the obvious, but I'd guess that 90% of "SEO's" are in fact useless frauds.

JohnScott is exactly right about this one. I wonder why this offends so many "SEOs"?

He used to say similar about

He used to say similar about you, Jill.

Does this mean it doesn't offend you to be lumped with the 90%?

Are you copping

a plea here Jill?

He used to say similar about

He used to say similar about you, Jill.

Used to? I still say that SEO that doesn't focus on link building is worthless.

And, Brian, do you think that most SEO's provide real value and real rankings? Are you oblivious to the fact that the industry name is being ruined by hacks who couldn't deliver rankings if their lives depended on it?

If anything, those hacks are doing the SEO industry a much greater disservice than Jason Calawhoever.

99% more like..

I get pitched by wankers trying to sell me their SEO services almost every day and when I take it up with them, for a laugh, I usually cannot believe how naive and stupid they and their methods are. Face it guys, its a job with a really shitty reputation which is generally deserved. I never did understand why a really good SEO would sell his services rather than selling his own product.

Are you oblivious to the

Are you oblivious to the fact that the industry name is being ruined by hacks who couldn't deliver rankings if their lives depended on it?

It's a sad fact of business that it rewards not simply those persons and organisations that deliver actual solutions - but also those whose sole merits are aggression and predation.

Because of this, there's snake oil sold in every business sector. I was nearly a webhost first, and you already know what a reputation that industry has.

I guess that's why I prefer to see myself not as a businessman, but as a problem solver with commercial skills. I think a number of good SEO's may fall under that heading.

Jason Calcanis has nothing on the reputation of SEO. He's just some kid throwing stones at hornets nests for attention. That sort of attitude possibly makes him a better businessman than I.

nope

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Does this mean it doesn't offend you to be lumped with the 90%?

No, because I don't need any of you to validate that I'm in the 10%. Which apparently some others here do need to validate.

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Used to? I still say that SEO that doesn't focus on link building is worthless.

If you're saying that I believe otherwise, you'd be incorrect. As most people know if they have ever read any of what I've written over the years, I believe that SEO needs both onpage and offpage factors in order to work. You're welcome to pretend I say otherwise, if you'd like, but that doesn't make it true!

He's just some kid throwing

He's just some kid throwing stones at hornets nests for attention. That sort of attitude possibly makes him a better businessman than I.

your definition of businessman bewilders me. Business has everything to do with profit and conversions and nothing to do with trolling.

Some people find profit in

Some people find profit in controversy. Or, at least, think they do.

2c.

JC....great initials...had to find out more

I had to read up on Jason C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Calacanis
He appears to be a bit of a social butterfly. Loves the limelight. He's also a die-hard blogging enthusiast (owned 50 blogs including Engadget) which means by definition he hates blog spam. I also see where he predated John Battelle's FM by monetizing blogs through AdSense. So he's another PPC advocate (another reason to hate SEO). Seems to have his hand deeply in Social Bookmarking sites ( Stole the Digg theme for Netscape), and incorrectly believes from his above post, "Wikipedia, Engadget, and Netscape all have amazing ranking and it's because they have been around a long time, they have great content, and they don't play games."

H'mm, that statement alone shows he doesn't understand the Google ranking algo...it's mathematical dude....it doesn't have human intelligence...good content has nothing to do with anything. Never has.

The algo simply looks for rapidly changing websites(and older URLs) and gives them priority. And anyone that gets a link from one of those sites gets googlejuice provided there isn't a nofollow and it's unreciprocated. That's SEO in a nutshell.

There seems to be a bunch of PPC/blogging weenies out there that hate SEO. They hate it because it works, and it can be used by the little guy effectively.

Once and for all, SEO is rapid (6 months is BS), it delivers exactly the audience you target, it creates conversions, and if used correctly it lasts. PPC is BS. It's nothing but another form of Banner Advertising. If you need to see it right out of the horse's mouth here's a video that confirms what I'm saying in the closing remarks.
http://www.lightreading.com/tv/tv_popup.asp?doc_id=113933

Bottom line. SEO (because of the Golden Triangle) is the most effective way to get conversions on the Internet..bar none.

Better take that to heart when you're doing your VC buys JC or they'll crucify you. Pun intended.

I still say that SEO that

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I still say that SEO that doesn't focus on link building is worthless

Utter nonsense. A valid opinion, of course, but utter nonsense.

Flyboy you got it condensed right here:

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There seems to be a bunch of PPC/blogging weenies out there that hate SEO. They hate it because it works, and it can be used by the little guy effectively.

Bingo

I concur with John.

If you can't sell PPC services, it must be crap.

Hmmm....

Reminds me of Dave Pasternack, could they be working together?

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