Social Media eh?

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I keep waiting for TW and one of the largest webmaster forums on the Web to embrace social media. Where are the 'Digg" icons on TW and WMW? Where is 'submit to Netscape'?

C'mon, two of the most read destinations on the Web by webmasters are ignoring Web 2.0? What you say? SearchEngineLand? 'Scuse, me, but Danny made it nearly impossible to comment with that archaic TypePrison system he's using. How Web 2.0 is that?

How can you talk about 'Web 2.0' without embracing it?

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As marketers we embrace

As marketers we embrace exploiting it far more than we embrace supporting it.

Diggers Hate SEO

The diggnation hates the SEO community as much as they hate microsoft. The odd good piece gets through here and there but by and large they get buried shortly after making the homepage. From my site I can count on my big left toe the number of times I didn't get buried within 15 minutes.

The irony of that situation is that many of Digg's top users are SEO or internet marketers in one form or another. There are quite a few TW members who are top 1000, 500, 100 and few top 30 users as well. If we were to bring back some of the fiery political debates of last year Threadwatch might do pretty well on Netscape.

SEO?

What about marketing? Blogging? Scripting? CSS? Web Legal? You know, all those topics TW and WMW cover that aren't specific to SEO?

Typical Digger

Do Diggers Dislike Discourses Describing Dissed SEOs?

Sorry for the title.

Yes, diggers are wary of anything mentioning SEO in a positive light, but what about creating an obvious negative piece that will attract links nonetheless? Something like "This Digger Pwned A Shady SEO Firm"; then take a few snapshots of the comments, create video to put on Youtube, and get it Farked. After you get a metric assload of links, just 301 the domain to your intended domain (I liken it to a link baiting ninja with a bazooka).

Even the most adverse communities can be exploited if the antithesis approach is taken.

Cygnus

Almost there

If you're going to go to all that trouble why do it for SEO, you'll get much more with a commercial term ;-)

why bother?

Please don't digg my blog. Digg my other stuff - I don't mind if diggers hate on that - so long as it sticks:)

awesome alliteration cygnus - excellent exampe in titleing:)

killer title cygnus :) TW,

killer title cygnus :)

TW, WMW and all forums are social media....i.e. media is created, we socialize around it

Isnt

I keep waiting for TW and one of the largest webmaster forums on the Web to embrace social media

Isnt interaction social, and different to other sites there is a focus on media here

C'mon, two of the most read destinations on the Web by webmasters are ignoring Web 2.0?

It doesnt mean Digg is right or worth encouraging, or WMW because of high user base means its the best place to be. Like any good newspaper its more important to build on your readership and retain users, than jump on Hype 2.0

Forums?

Fora are social? ; ) But they've been around forever, yet are never mentioned in conjunction with the 'social boom'...

I remember the days

I remember the days when it was all about slashdot. Now it's Digg. This too shall pass, with the same results.

Yes

we should all embrace and enjoy the web has grown

Fora are social? ; ) But they've been around forever, yet are never mentioned in conjunction with the 'social boom'

Blogs were also a revolution at one point, but doesnt the original post focus on some major sites, why bother. TW is a great community site and done in a unique way, why wonder how to embrace "social media" by looking at other sites.

I keep waiting for TW and one of the largest webmaster forums on the Web to embrace social media

If TW wants to embrace social media, why cant it do it itself instead, no reason why TW could not "embrace" social media for its niche in its own style, instead of some Digg buttons

pleeze...

> C'mon, two of the most read destinations on the Web by webmasters are ignoring Web 2.0? What you say? SearchEngineLand? 'Scuse, me, but Danny made it nearly impossible to comment with that archaic TypePrison system he's using. How Web 2.0 is that?

Here's what I say (have said):
http://searchengineland.com/070118-064912.php

"Currently, we require registration and use TypeKey to handle this. Yes, TypeKey is a hassle. I deeply appreciate those of you who were not already using that system for taking the time to register so you can comment.

I said when we officially launched that we were going to develop a better system. Plans for that are in the works, and I hope to have it live in a month or so, fingers crossed."

and

"Now for your feedback about comments. Here are things I've thought about needing:

* Ability to edit posts within a short period of time

* Ability to easily format posts to indent, add bold, add links using buttons

* Ability to post using AJAX, so that when you enter something, you see it appear as you type, how it will look and can submit without having to load a new page.

What things would you like to see added? Any sites you especially like in how they offer comments?"

So I've covered it and made it clear to our readers TypeKey is only temporary. I could drop it entirely and also stop everything to whip up a new system this second. Or I can have people live with it a little longer and do the new system in the way I want to, a right way for the site. I'm hanging in there a bit longer. And people are able to use TypeKey in the meantime and are actually commenting.

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>What things would you like to see added? Any sites you especially like in how they offer comments?"

How about adding in some links to other sites discussing the same story, creating a techmeme/megite like functionality

I notice that Danny Sullivan

I notice that Danny Sullivan also does not answer questions people ask him in his blog comments. I understand that he is busy spazzing out on his keyboard but blogging is about the conversation correct? When someone asks you something and you do not answer they often do not come back or feel like your writing is a self serving rant. Notice how Matt Cutts and others thoroughly answer all questions on their blogs?

I am not implying anything, just stating an observation from what I have learned from my weenieblog. Search Engine Land is one of a kind, just wish there was more hours in the day to follow all the posts. ;-(

Maybe or you will keep going

Maybe or you will keep going back to see if he answered your question...

SEL isnt a regular old blog though... I mean most blogs dont start out with google and yahoo news inclusion =P

perception is reality

I notice that Danny Sullivan also does not answer questions people ask him in his blog comments.

I used to too, but then some annoying people kept asking self serving self aggrandizing rant questions over and over again, so then I started banning IP addresses, and my smile grew wider.

but blogging is about the conversation correct?

Certain conversations are more interesting with fewer and/or more informed participants.

Blogging and Conversation

>>but blogging is about the conversation correct?

Sure it is, and bloggers should respond to user comments, but the tipping point comes when the comments at a blog aren't all directed at the blog author and conversation starts taking place between readers.

>>TypeKey

Good that it's temporary. Every other system out there seems to function better.

>>edit posts within a short period of time

Edit windows are much appreciated by the people that hate to see permanent typos.

DG -

Absolutely. :)

Jeremy said: SEL isnt a

Jeremy said:

SEL isnt a regular old blog though... I mean most blogs dont start out with google and yahoo news inclusion =P

LOL...I noticed that! ;-o

> I notice that Danny

> I notice that Danny Sullivan also does not answer questions people ask him in his blog comments

I hadn't noticed that. I think I may have been too busy answering questions people were asking me in the blog like here:

http://searchengineland.com/070116-142503.php
http://searchengineland.com/070116-074812.php
http://searchengineland.com/061229-173825.php

In short, I do answer questions. I'm sure I can answer many more, and I'll look to do that when possible.

I disagree not answering questions suddenly makes a blog into a self-serving rant or that a blog is even required to have comments and a "conversation" to be a blog. I converse with many people who raise intelligent questions who contact me via email. Do those conversations not count because they are done off blog?

Having said this, I think comments can help a blog. That's why we allow them. That's why we're improving the system. That's why we recently set up the comments feed. It's all coming along.

Also keep in mind that unlike Matt, I have many more stories on any given day being posted. Sometimes other people also come along and answer a question before I see one in there, so there's no need to do it.

> How about adding in some links to other sites discussing the same story, creating a techmeme/megite like functionality

I wish Techmeme had this. I'll like at maybe Megite. Lots of blogs use Sphere or Technorati. Frankly, I haven't felt those have brought back that quality of results.

> most blogs dont start out with google and yahoo news inclusion

We didn't start out with Google News inclusion. That happened about three weeks after launch, as I covered here:
http://searchengineland.com/070108-110033.php

I had to ask for it using the same request form anyone can use. Exceptional that a new site got in so quickly after actually asking? Perhaps, but I felt like we'd already proven ourselves enough at that point and that it was somewhat self-evident we'd continue to be an important news source.

I mean, consider things from the Google News standpoint. You see that three main editors of a publication you've long carried in Google News now write for a new publication. You've seen them work for a long period over time. I don't think it's a stretch to think you should be including them. That's especially so when you consider that they're constantly being briefed on stuff your company is doing by your own PR department. Yeah, they're probably doing some newsworthy stuff :)

As for Yahoo, we aren't included in Yahoo News right now. Reminds me I'd better go off and do that submission....

tick, tick, tick

>>'Scuse, me, but Danny made it nearly impossible to comment with that archaic TypePrison system he's using.
>pleeze...

Hell, Danny, put some Eastern Europeans on the task. Time's up.

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